Re: Below

I have subscribed to the Human Rights Watch Notices for quite some
time, and observing a pattern which simply amazes me.  I understand
completely that these report are of outright atrocities comitted
by human beings against human beings, and that to those of us who
consider themselves to be "human beings", these atrocities are
unequivolcally unacceptable.

However, simple realities must be considered, and these people
at Human Rights Watch, apparently, have no sense of reality at all.

Surprise and redundant indignation is expressed that the Communist
Chinese (notice how the "Communist" has been dropped of late, implying
that somehow the idiocy of communism has become acceptable?) Government
abandons any sense of honor to its written or spoken word the minute
it becomes convenient to do so.

A snake is a snake and no amount of sophistic logic or reason is
about to make it be anything else.  It gets away with what it gets
away with precisely because it can; a reality regarding the COMMUNIST
Chinese Government that has virtually no counterexample.

There is only way to disuade an essentially evil entity from
perpetrating evil - and that is by powerfully severe punishment.
This is a simple lesson that *should* have been learned from
Hitler's pre WWII activities.  There are more ways to punish than
dropping bombs.

The object of correct punishment is to instill discipline, and
is no different from civilizing a human child which is basically
a wild animal, or a dog.  The keys are simply consistency and
the principle: let the punishmnt fit the crime.

Unfortuntely, there is no government on the face of the Earth
that is not in itself evil and corrupt, precisely because the
governed people are just as evil, and accept the evils of their
governments.  The Human Race is a lame, primitive, barbaric and
stupid species doomed to self annihilation by its own stupidity.
So let it be written; so let it be done - quickly.

Made in China? Put it back
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From hrwatchnyc@igc.org Mon Dec 21 16:58:07 1998
Date: 21 December 1998
From: hrwatchnyc@igc.org
To: hrw-news@igc.org
Subject: No Justice in China

NO JUSTICE IN CHINA

(New York, December 21, 1998) -- Human Rights Watch today condemned the harsh
sentences given Chinese dissidents Xu Wenli andWang Youcai after summary trials.

"China's signature on a human rights treaty isn't worth the paper it's written
on if this is what it does to peaceful political activists," said Sidney Jones,
Asia director of Human Rights Watch.  China signed the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights last October in a move that many governments welcomed
as an indication of Beijing's growing commitment to international human rights
principles.

Xu Wenli, fifty-five, was given a thirteen-year sentence on Monday, and Wang
Youcai, thirty-two, received an eleven-year term following his trial last
Thursday.  The verdict in the trial of a third activist, Qin Yongmin, has not
yet been announced. All three men were involved in trying to set up the Chinese
Democracy Party, and all three were accused of attempting to subvert the
government.

"China says it respects freedom of expression, but then arrests these men for
calling for democratic change," said Jones. "It says it respects freedom of
association, but then arrests virtually everyone associated with a new political
party. It says it respects the rights of defendants, but then applies the
principle of verdict first, trial second."

Human Rights Watch said that under the circumstances, it was time for
governments now engaged in "human rights dialogues" with China--including the
U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, and the E.U.--to rethink what purpose these
dialogues were serving.

"We have no problem with seminars on law and justice," said Jones, "but if the
Chinese government persists in ignoring law and denying justice, the governments
holding these seminars better look for a more forceful way of raising human
rights concerns with Beijing." Human Rights Watch is urging governments to bring
a resolution condemning China's human rights practices at the annual meeting in
Geneva of the U.N. Human Rights Commission this coming March. This past April
the effort was abandoned in favor of the less confrontational dialogues.

Human Rights Watch urged China's dialogue partners to make immediate, high-level
appeals toBeijing for a commutation of the sentences handed down to Xu and Wang
and to suspend any high-level trade delegations scheduled to visit China in
early 1999 in protest against the harsh sentences.

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July 7, 2000

China Arrests 37 Homosexuals
     
     Filed at 8:57 a.m. EDT
     
By The Associated Press

     BEIJING (AP) -- Police have arrested 37 gay men in southern China
     at the start of a nationwide anti-vice campaign, a rights group and
     police official said Friday.
     
     The arrests Monday at a gymnasium in Guangzhou city were the
     largest detention sweep against homosexuality yet in China, the
     official said by telephone from the city, a thriving provincial
     capital near Hong Kong.
     
     Homosexuality is illegal in China, although a relaxation of social
     rules over the past 20 years has created a more tolerant
     atmosphere. Gay bars are common and some cities have gay
     information telephone hotlines.
     
     The owner and manager of the Heroes' Gym will face criminal
     charges, but the other men might be released, said the police
     official, who would not give his name.
     
     The official said a similar crackdown had taken place in the past
     in the southwestern province of Sichuan, but with fewer arrests.
     
     The Heroes' Gym had become a popular meeting spot for hundreds of
     gay men since it opened in February, according to the Hong
     Kong-based Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy, which
     first reported the arrests.
     
     The Guangzhou police press office confirmed that the arrests took
     place but refused to provide other details or give a reason.
     
     The case comes during a three-month nationwide crackdown on
     prostitution, drugs and vice that started July 1.